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PostSubject: Banlist Predictions   Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:24 am

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It's one of these times of the year again. Yes for all yugioh players there is a period similar to reverse thanksgiving, every six months, where most of them go out of their ways to bitch about everything that seems at least slightly wrong, not neccessarily limited to yugioh, sometimes about life in general. That is the banlist period.

I hope that I don't have to bring back last banlist's prediction for the people that decide to go crazy or show how horribly butthurt they are from the format in public again, it has been happening on enough blogs already actually...

So while at it I'll put out some serious ones.

Let's start from the basics. Banlist is made for the OCG, if there is an issue in the TCG it gets a slap on the wrist save from emergency situations of major screw ups, but at this point of the game the only way to get a real major screw up deserving a fix for the TCG is if there was a TCG exclusive spell card that said "You win the game". The reason for that is how far all decks have advanced by now and the relative power of the game, a deck can pull ahead but not that far.

Now let's say another basic. Konami likes money. They wouldn't be running a business if they weren't in for the profit. So ORCS will probably not be hit and even if it is it will be a slap on the wrist so it will still be selling.

Last basic is that you hit what is actually good. Not what you think is good. Not what you think people think is good. Not what you once heard from a homeless person that looked like a fortune teller, is good. What is actually good with actual consistent tournament results to back it up. So before you say Lavalval Chain banned, go pay shriek a visit. Same with fusion heroes, I was laughing my ass off at people who were saying gate heroes are a top tier OCG deck and was going to rape in the TCG, because they were wrong, ignorant and horribly wrong. They were also wrong.

Now by analyzing the OCG results we get
Inzektor finishing in first place
Agent and Rabbit variants in second, while it should be noted agents, and to be precise T.G. Agent Angel, dominated the better part of the format.
Then we have Hero beat variants, just a bit away from the above 2 by my estimate.
Then we have less frequent appearences from karakuri, dark world (at the start of the format they would both appear more often however), ninja jurrac, laval, wind-ups, dragunity and then there also were at less frequency than even those decks like plant synchro, junk doppel, chaos, twillight, zombie etc. but not a real issue. I may or may not be forgetting other basic ones.

And on this side we have as TCG exclusive the tour tengu synchro, tour and tengu as problem cards, rabbit boosted by the exclusives as well as dark world, and wind-ups boosted by at least 4 tcg exclusives, but they are here just 1 month before the banlist spoilers come out so they'll get away with their TCG success.

Inzektors will not be getting hit hard in their main lineup, they may however lose non-archetypal support. If they do get hit in their main lineup, I predict it will be hornets to appease the people while leaving inzektors practically intact since all you do is add a number of armageddon knights/mystic tomatoes/etc. equal to the number of Hornets you lost and you have the exact same deck except from late game but that's pointless.

Agents have sticked around for a while and have outlived their profit, so that could be the time to get some hits, perhaps it could be Hyperion and Earth to 2 or either one of them to 1.

As for rabbit, I'll take a wild, wild guess and say, perhaps Laggia to 1? There are many variants still fresh and in the TCG rabbits make houses out of the money they've taken and are still good business. With Laggia at 1 you can still play yugioh, especially in the TCG where you can just bring Laggia once and use Dolkka for more control (or even that 1 mained tour bus to make sure your leviair brings you laggia again), while in the OCG they can always use Emeral. Another possible option could be rabbit to 2. When it comes to the TCG, tour into sangan can get you rabbit, while part of the OCG has already shifted over to hybrids to have consistency without rabbit being a neccessity to win (in fact there are hybrid ninja jurrac builds already topping with 2 rabbits). And of course there is always Gold Sarcophagus. What Rabbit at 2 mostly means is much less chances for first turn rabbit, which should be hitting versions of the deck, especially the TCG straightforward ones, and is actually more healthy for the game. On the other hand, rabbit at 1 would kill the vast majority of competitive rabbit decks so I can't really see it. But who knows.

Gemini beat is old, too old, and is now seeing a lot of play. Perhaps the gemini beat parts will be hit to make way for the hero support that keeps coming out. Or it will be left again untouched, it's an anti-meta deck really so if it's successful it's only because it has good matchups in the top tier, which not entirelly relevant to the deck itself but the format in general.

Moving right along away from the top 3+1, I predict Wind-Ups won't be getting hit. First of all they have been in the OCG but not as much as Agents and Rabbit, and of course not as much as Inzektors. Secondly, the loop is all they have going for them, if they bring rat or zenmaighty at 1, as I hear lately, the deck is dead competitivelly, end of story. Yes, you can say you can play wind-ups competitivelly with 1 rat, but you can't, so don't say it. If I had to describe why they are so low in the competitive play of the OCG though, it would be because they get killed by whatever people have put in their main or side to battle inzektors, they had the bad luck to be released alongside inzektors, be second to them and subsequently be trampled over because of them. Of course they got all the support Kevin could think of in the TCG so it won't be the same story here. With 4 TCG exclusives backing them up we could be seeing the new sabers, impervious to banlists.

Ninjas have been in jurrac hybrids but they will be left untouched, they are new and they are not that competitive. Karakuri is old enough to get hit however, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them lose a synchro or two to the semi-limited/limited list. Or perhaps a ninishi, or a merchant, or whatever makes them tick, can't tell. Dark Worlds started strong at the end of last format, kept some momentum for the start of this, but now are falling on their faces. That being said they could receive a kind slap on the wrist I will be explaining below. Laval is again used because of a new card mostly, and is an interesting deck. People cry for rekindling to be hit, but it won't be easy. They could however do a rekindling to 2 finally, if nothing else to appease the raging masses of card game players. I feel dragunity will be affected by the other changes in the banlist instead, like they always have been.

Will they hit the chaos, plant and zombie variants? Kinda unlikely, again it seems like it will be a slap on the wrist.

Now I know you have seen me say a lot about slaps on the wrist and not something get really hurt in this banlist. The reason for that is because the top deck in the OCG is a new deck, it's hard to hit which means it will continue strong so to have a balanced format other decks must continue strong as well.

Of course now we have another part of the list, the non-archtype cards.
One prediction I have here is Card Destruction. It could be the hit people ask to be given to Dark Worlds and it is of course one of the strong spell cards of the game, useful in more than one decks, albeit not top tier apart from dark world, of course. It may be the time for Card Destruction to join the other power spell cards that keep bouncing in and out of the banlist for this format.

A kind of wild prediction again is Dark Armed Dragon. That is for some reasons. One, it could serve as the slap to Inzektors' wrists as the non-archtype support they will be hitting. Dark Armed Dragon and Inzektors go together so it will be a hit to an additional power card they have. Additionally Dark Armed Dragon is indeed a power card, so it wouldn't be weird to see him as well start hopping in and out of the banlist starting this format. There is one additional reason for this though.

If the above occurs, Sangan and Witch of the Black Forest. If they try to do something for the TCG directly while adding a bit for variety we could be seeing those 2 switch places. Witch of the Black Forest has been out of the game for a while now, and we know it does not have the power that got it banned anymore in the current game. The biggest issue, in my opinion, with the card is that it can search Dark Armed Dragon, while being DARK itself, but with DAD banned that issue could be taken care of. Additionally, Tour Bus has been released as an alternative buddy for Tour Guide, so perhaps they will decide to have 1 "Sangan" in the format, instead of having 4. Yes, I am aware WotBF can also search Norleas, the monarchs, Beast King Barbaros and Dark Simorgh (AND TYLER THE GREAT WARRIOR!), but it doesn't seem it would unbalance the format that much. Besides, the OCG already has Lavalval Chain if they are so desperate about getting a monster.

There is a good chance Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beggining will be once again banned, if for no other reason then because it's everywhere. Book of moon may be joining the semi-limited cards to help battle some of the top tier decks, while there is a chance Pot of Duality may be joining them. Not because it is harmful for the game, but because again it is overused, which again would suck since increasing consistency in many decks will be a bit harder, but 2 should be fine really, it's just the fact that when you auto-include 3 cards in your deck, it means you are potentially using less new cards, so konami doesn't like it. And I do wish fishborg will be back but it probably wont happen since they made fishborg number 2... damn them... We may also see foolish burial or allure of darkness in the random (not so much, non-archetypal inzektor support) stuff that hit the banned list. If we do, one of them of course, not both. If I had to predict a generally used extra deck monster to be hit by the banlist this time, it would be again a weird prediction, but I'd put Leviair in there.

Now, as to what you don't want to see change but you just don't know it yet.

1 is Solemn Warning. Solemn Warning is perhaps the only thing you can use to hit an inzektor combo in your regular trap lineup along with power cards like Solemn Judgment and Torrential Tribute. Then goes book of moon and then veiler in the mainly used cards. You will be loosing a good ally in the battle vs inzektors, and while it may not mean as much in the TCG, it is the top deck in the OCG. And speaking of Inzektors:

Royal Oppression. Inzektors dgaf about Royal Oppression, it will be a main Inzektor card if it is unbanned and to add strength to the dominating OCG deck is nothing less of weird for a banlist. Not to mention that if you are first turn laggia'd + oppression'd it's time to scoop. Six Sams used it, sabers used it, why shouldn't rabbit use it. Or Dark World for that matter, for us TCG'ers.

Other than that I expect something crazy to happen as always, but that's ok, it keeps things fun, either practically or by seeing people bitch about it and laugh. Since veiler will get a reprint in ORCS: SE I am fine for the format, at least I can survive. I did think of staying out before that, without maxx c or veilers available, but now it is possible once again to adapt.

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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:59 am

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What do you guys think of a card like Reborn Tengu?
You know... speaking of discussing seriously, it would be nice if people who did discuss also took the time to read the article...

I did read the article, but the article desplays only your opinion, not that of others. I think it's very possible for it to be semi'd, that's why I put it to discussion.
Don't you like people discussing about the article? That's what this topic is about, right?
by discussing, u mean by expressing ignorance? How much you wanna bet half of the ppl here didnt read tje article? Discussing cards suc as tengu and maxx c and their chances on the ban list is bad enough, cmon nao we know konami loves money. What business wouldn't?


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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:14 pm

Just so you know digi, maxx 'C' is an OCG card also.

But either way, I do think that there may be a hit on wind-up hunter, yes I've read the article, however its highly unlikely due to the unsuccessful nature of wind-ups in the OCG.

Hornet is a possibility, but I can see either Lavalval Chain or Dairgusto emeral being hit due to their over play (mainly for chain)


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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:37 pm

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i sell tour guides for 50$ each, i have a printer that prints out fake cards '-'
Why you dirty little...
Moving on, just love how Nour compares cards according to what people on DN do. Oh, and how there should be no explanations for certain cards being banned or limited, right.
Look, Nour, the online dueling committee doesn't really make an impact in Konami's eyes. They look at deck that win tournaments, and hurt them, unless they're news decks, then they'll just stick with those to sell more. It's more or less like how Microsoft publishes a new operating system. We have Windows 7 at the moment, but Windows 8 comes out this year with tons of new features that makes 7 seem so inferior (just an example, Windows 8 sucks in my own eyes). Now if you belong to a rich family, you'd want to keep up-to-date and get Windows 8, while discarding Windows 7 in the process. Then again, after reading this all over again, my example makes little sense, so I pray you know what I'm talking about here.
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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:49 pm

Ban heavy is top priority




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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:53 pm

Ban everything that may cause Karin to lose.

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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:58 pm

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Ban heavy is top priority
I just lost to Neku due to heavy storm.. Twice -.-
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Ban everything that may cause Karin to lose.

Meaning everything.
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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:58 am

With the emergency banlist of may 2008, under UDE, the first and only TCG exclusive card was hit to regulate the tier 0 deck at the time. That was allure of darkness, which did not get released in the OCG until mid september of the same year, and since it was not an OCG card yet, it was only included in the OCG banlist on the march banlist of the next year.

At this time we could be having a list on our hands, which with almost sufficient proof claims that for the first time a TCG exclusive card was hit in the OCG before it was even released there, and that with English characters on the OCG banlist preview is named as "Reborn Tengu", while in contrast to the Allure ban, the tengu synchro deck was under-performing lately, even under tier 1 some might say after YCS Guadalajara. Apparently that is now possible to happen, although in my defense as it is a world first it could not possibly be predicted by anyone who knows how banlists function. A new day for yugioh is dawning and from now on predicting any TCG exclusive getting hit will be a-ok by this precedent. If said list is true ofc.

Scans seem legit (you can only photoshop so many cosplayers) and the list other than the tengu world-first surprise seems legit as well, no matter how badly butthurt people will scream, but then again it could be a relevant japanese article on predictions and used because it looks like a banlist preview or something, anyways, we'll see.

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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:43 am

If this is accurate I love the hurt they are putting on Plants.
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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:44 am

B-B-But...
Spore...
Glow-Up...
Trish...

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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:04 am

its confirmed on shriek ._.

http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/64975791/


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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:49 am

Uhm I don't know about this. .-. Because why would they Ban Trishula when it's coming out in a special edition. O_o
But meh if this is true bye bye plants lolz.
And it looks like this could be HALF the banlist not the whole thing because it seems a little short.




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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:37 am

if you mean HA05 SE, Gungnir and Brionac is coming out, not Trishula

On other news, apparently, Julia Hedberg (KDE Judge Manager) on her facebook said not to believe the list on shriek and to wait until they see the list on yugioh-card.com (you know, because they care just as much as the OCG and won't wait until the last day of february to post it), but to be honest it could easily just be crowd control, I have seen that done before with the exceed leaving the field thing and them vouching that exceed materials will be leaving the field for all eternity. Julia Hedberg isn't involved with the list or is even in R&D anyways as far as I know, so it's still anything goes I guess...

EDIT: shriek and manjyome thunder are washing their hands off of this as well, not confirming fake or real or whatever http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/64975791/
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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:50 am

Lumina at 2 makes my day.



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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:24 pm

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Lumina at 2 makes my day.

I could swear I posted that at another academy.
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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:44 pm

Al-Bhed wrote:
if you mean HA05 SE, Gungnir and Brionac is coming out, not Trishula

On other news, apparently, Julia Hedberg (KDE Judge Manager) on her facebook said not to believe the list on shriek and to wait until they see the list on yugioh-card.com (you know, because they care just as much as the OCG and won't wait until the last day of february to post it), but to be honest it could easily just be crowd control, I have seen that done before with the exceed leaving the field thing and them vouching that exceed materials will be leaving the field for all eternity. Julia Hedberg isn't involved with the list or is even in R&D anyways as far as I know, so it's still anything goes I guess...

EDIT: shriek and manjyome thunder are washing their hands off of this as well, not confirming fake or real or whatever http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/64975791/
you'll know for sure by the 21st, you'll probably know by tommorow when the subscribers get their issue

Yeah my bad I guess they changed that up lol
Anyway I am just going to wait till it's officially official till I try to believe anything lol :P




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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:12 pm

I hope heavy gets a re-ban
Because its too much it can
Is there anyone who agree?
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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:25 pm

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I hope heavy gets a re-ban
Because its too much it can
Is there anyone who agree?
Raise your hand and say me

Karin Karin, I won't say me
Just limit Typhoon, and be set free.


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PostSubject: Re: Banlist Predictions   Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:03 pm

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I hope heavy gets a re-ban
Because its too much it can
Is there anyone who agree?
Raise your hand and say me
Heavy is a requirement in a format where new auto-search decks are set free, mainly Inzektors and the non-OTK variant Wind-Ups. Six sams and co were sort of problematic in March 2011 because of how Heavy Storm was banned, not the main reason of course, but Heavy Storm is a factor that slightly gives support to other decks. It was simply set four cards and it's game for a few of us. Giant Trunade helped even the tides a little bit, but not that much. If Heavy is to be banned, they would have to bring back Giant Trunade, otherwise we'll be seeing Inzektors and Wind-Ups, who surprisingly did not get slapped on the wrist this format.
It pains me how they banned Spore. Then again, it was kind of a broken card. I mean, you could easily go into a LVL 5 or LVL 8 Synchro, or a Rank 4 Xyz. Sure, it supports Xyz and all, but I think it had more uses for Synchro monsters. I am really hoping the official list is something else completely and that this one is proved to be fake, but heck it's a screenshot out of a magazine, and I doubt anyone would want to fake a banlist just to see people go crazy before the official list is revealed, but then again, they semi-limited a TCG-exclusive, and no official word has been given yet, so chances are the list will be changed for the greater good.

EDIT: Didn't see the edit in Al's post. Looks like this is most possibly fake after all.



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